Where Does Your Thanksgiving Loyalty Lie?

[Turkey. Sides. Pie. Where does your loyalty lie?]
This week in the New York Times dining section, Kim Severson and Julia Moskin squared off in the ultimate Thanksgiving battle: turkey versus sides. Is the turkey really the most important part of the Thanksgiving meal? Or are we all really in it for the stuffing and potatoes?
While Severson stuck to Thanksgiving orthodoxy, claiming that the turkey was essential to a proper holiday and trying to perfect her recipe to prove it, Moskin took up the cause of the side dishes. But there's a third camp—the pie contingent. In fact, Ed Levine once advocated we forgo turkey and stuffing altogether in favor of an all-pie holiday.
Me, I'm a side-dish girl. I care much more about the smell of roasting turkey than the bird itself; I'll have a ceremonial bite, but not much else. And sure, I love a good slice of pie. But I'm in it for the sweet potatoes, and cornbread stuffing, and biscuits, and Brussels sprouts—a little different each year, but always festive and exciting. Turkey is for the birds.
What about you? What are you really saving room for—turkey, side dishes, or pie?
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59 Comments:
We normally have coffee between dinner and dessert, so luckily there's always time to digest. But during dinner I normally only have a couple of slices of turkey, but I always have seconds on sides. It's embarrassing to admit this, but once I start eating that weird canned cranberry gel I can't stop.
Katie, Gee! at 5:22PM on 11/15/09
I'm a side dish girl, too. I cook turkey all year long and in far more exciting and tasty ways than roasted, so it's not big deal to me. But the side dishes, --such variety: some savory, some sweet, some spicy. --a wonderland of deliciousness. The only sad thing now is that I have to wait another week and a half.
Shecooks at 5:25PM on 11/15/09
PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jennywren at 5:36PM on 11/15/09
Oh it's all about the side dishes. I try them all, then go for seconds on the ones I really like (turnip, potato, stuffing). By dessert I feel like the guy on Man Vs. Food.
eeels at 5:39PM on 11/15/09
Sides sides sides. Granted, I'm allergic to poultry so we have ham instead, but even back before I developed that allergy I felt the same. Candied yams, cranberry, dressing, I love it all. I'd be happy if there were no main dish, but we've got to keep up appearances.
Nosey at 5:41PM on 11/15/09
Sides - dressing is number one but pumpkin pie (cooks illustrated recipe) is a close second.
Potboiler at 5:57PM on 11/15/09
The turkey sandwich with gravy on a baguette the day after Thanksgiving.....can't wait!
eatingraoul at 6:02PM on 11/15/09
Pie. Lovely sweet potato pie.
Cassaendra at 6:09PM on 11/15/09
I claim neutrality - I love everything about the day & the good eats/drinks!
finewinendine at 6:11PM on 11/15/09
Is dessert a side? Because holidays meals are all about the pies and cakes and cookies. But if I had to choose between normal sides and turkey, the sides win by a landslide.
gingercookiewithlime at 6:22PM on 11/15/09
I have my whole family over every year and do all the cooking (which I love to do). But being a vegetarian, I am totally about the sides. I cook a turkey for them though.
It is my very favorite holiday...no pressure, no gifts, just relaxing around with the loved ones and talking after dinner.
deetroitMI at 6:34PM on 11/15/09
My loyalty growing up was for the turkey, cranberry and stuffing sandwich he next day!
Jbout at 6:40PM on 11/15/09
Ed, this is why you are a true food genius--yes, yes, yes, a whole day devoted to pie!
I've never liked turkey, even when I ate meat, and always liked the sides best. But the only part of the Thanksgiving meal I LOVE is the pie. And sadly, my Thanksgivings are now spent with non-pie eaters.
I think the ideal T-day 'pie-o-paloza' would begin with a light fruit pie like apple, followed by a main course of pecan, and then ending up with a slice of pumpkin for 'dessert.' Almost a balanced meal, eh?
HeartofGlass at 6:46PM on 11/15/09
But we already have a day devoted to pies! March 14th!
For me, it's all about the sides. Give me some stuffing, some green bean casserole, and some sweet potatoes with brown sugar and I'm a happy lady.
laetitiae at 6:55PM on 11/15/09
Sides, all the way. Maybe I've just never had perfectly cooked turkey, but I always throw a slice of it on my plate more out of obligation to tradition than anything. I think the *perfect* plate would be all the sides, topped with gravy, and a nice, crispy piece of turkey skin.
joyyy at 6:56PM on 11/15/09
All I care about is stuffing.
lexophile at 7:01PM on 11/15/09
pumpkin pie, that's the only thing i want!
Meewlee at 7:05PM on 11/15/09
I was about to give it to turkey, and then I remembered my aunt's sweet potato recipe. It's a push.
cycorider at 7:10PM on 11/15/09
The day of, the sides...the day after it's all about the leftover turkey (and carcass for making soup!)
dhorst at 7:11PM on 11/15/09
Side dishes, here! We only make dressing once a year and it is always good. My mother-in-law's recipe is the best and you can find it here: http://tinyurl.com/ygdbydl
KarinCooks at 7:16PM on 11/15/09
Man, I have to weigh in. The most memorable Thanksgiving of my life included a dinner of an excellent flank steak, guacamole, and beer. Instead of pie, there was a certain herbal you-know-what. What it boils down to, and what's not included in this three-way battle between turkey vs. sides vs. pie are the additional factors of personal company and personal circumstances. For once = food shmood. T'giving spirit y'all.
rustle-t-bombpop at 7:25PM on 11/15/09
Between turkey, sides & pie... I have to go with sides. However, my family camps for Thanksgiving every year and my loyalties always lie with the S'mores. I have been known to eat so many S'mores before Thanksgiving dinner that I can't actually eat dinner. Just more S'mores.
madfishgrill at 7:30PM on 11/15/09
Sides!
blizcheetah at 7:33PM on 11/15/09
The purpose of the turkey for me is the midnight (or/and next day) sandwich with leftover stuffing and cranberry sauce. At the celebratory meal, the sides and soups are what it's about for me.
chanterelle at 7:34PM on 11/15/09
I'm all about the sides, smothered in turkey gravy. Therefore, the turkey is necessary.
kurteye at 8:34PM on 11/15/09
Turkey supplies the gravy, hence essential, but it's all about the sides!
Jen_from_NJ at 8:58PM on 11/15/09
I could gladly skip the turkey as far as eating is concerned. But oh, the pleasure it gives my mom: the whole day of prepping and stuffing and basting and checking!
Onepot at 9:35PM on 11/15/09
So, I have no interest in the turkey on Thanksgiving...I love the sides, namely real mashed potatoes, roasted brussel sprouts, sweet potato anything.
As for pie...unfortunately, our hosts always serve a variety of frozen pies (not that I can blame them, with all the other cooking involved). But, they also always serve a "pie" which essentially consists of a graham cracker shell, filled with condensed milk and chocolate chips. I know it's sacrilege, but I'm addicted to this.
@ Katie Gee! - I totally relate to the cranberry gel. It doesn't count if it hasn't retained the shape of the can ; )
gingerngin at 9:42PM on 11/15/09
For me, the day of is more about sides, and then turkey to have as leftovers. And well, pie, anytime.:)
Alm25 at 10:25PM on 11/15/09
If you're not going to have mashed potatoes I'm not coming.
eatorama at 10:32PM on 11/15/09
I used to be all about the sides... but since my gastric bypass, I always focus on protein first. I only eat sides if I have room left after I've had an adequate portion of protein. Fortunately, I usually make the turkey, and I brine it, so I no longer have to worry about dry turkey. (And no pie for me - the sugar makes me sick.)
DrGaellon at 10:34PM on 11/15/09
1. STUFFING.
2. MORE STUFFING.
3. Jellied cranberry.
4. Home-made apple pie. Really not a fan of pumpkin, and store-bought is a waste of calories... I'd take more stuffing first.
hoppzor at 10:35PM on 11/15/09
In my house, pie is an essential food group:
Granny Smith apple with walnut struesel
Coconut custard with Oreo crust
Key lime with Tahitian vanilla whipped cream
Maker's Mark-soaked pecan
strawberry rhubarb cranberry
deep-dish black raspberry
sweet potato with honey
Caribbean pumpkin with ginger, cardomom, and dark rum
salpico at 10:42PM on 11/15/09
I was going to say sides. But the more I thought about it...it's the turkey skin! Especially my BILs deep fried turkey skin. Just give me a plate of that skin and I'd be happy.
kayrob at 11:00PM on 11/15/09
Homemade cranberry sauce and pie are my only requirements, although once a year I do look forward to making my grandmother's stuffing which is of Portuguese origin and, green. As in green.
This year I am making mince pies (from David Lebovitz's recipe for mincemeat), my own pecan pie (I use treacle rather than corn syrup) and bread pudding baked within a pumpkin. I should probably make a sweet potato pie too; breakfast for the next day.
CatBoy at 11:08PM on 11/15/09
Another vote for sides. But I'm that way all the time, not just Thanksgiving. Many of my meals are comprised of a medley of side dishes.
Rocquie at 11:22PM on 11/15/09
sides on the day of. turkey sandwich day after.
bobbob at 11:38PM on 11/15/09
Is there an option to say all of them? I love the turkey, the sides, and the pie!
disbelief11 at 12:54AM on 11/16/09
1. Sides, especially stuffing and potatoes.
2. Spaghetti Carbonara, a la Calvin Trillin
3. Turkey
tmj529 at 1:16AM on 11/16/09
On the "day of", I'm going for the sides; particularly the cornbread dressing and giblet gravy. I'll sample the rest of the meal but I'd feel cheated if I didn't get that dressing; aplenty... That said, I'll fight to the death for the roasted tail and have to admit that since we cook the dressing "inside" and the gravy has to be laden with minced giblets, Thanksgiving wouldn't be the same without the turkey. I'll wait until game time the next day to devour those cold turkey sandwiches rich with mayonnaise and always on white bread.
czken at 3:04AM on 11/16/09
sides! Mostly cuz in my family, they ALWAYS order the turkey from Safeway and it's ALWAYS dry so the sides are the only edible thing (even though the mashed potatoes are gummy, but I like them that way)
although last year my aunt made the mashed potatoes with flakes and spoilt milk so nothing was eaten :/
geenersaurus at 3:44AM on 11/16/09
Love the sides but I can't wait to tear into a great bird! I've had smoked, deep-fried and traditional roasted turkeys over the years and all have been absolutely delicious!!!!
So give me the bird with great gravy!
jlewfoodie at 3:51AM on 11/16/09
Sides. The turkey is just there to provide pan juices for the gravy for the dressing, potatoes and other sides. (I also cook the giblets for broth for the stuffing).
I do eat a little turkey, but wouldn't let it interfere with the sides. And I am actually very fond of turkey and eat a lot of it. But that's part of the reason that all those sides on Thanksgiving are so much more important than the turkey - I don't make them a lot.
lemonfair at 6:52AM on 11/16/09
Pie, pie, pie!!!!!
gmm31313 at 7:51AM on 11/16/09
Sides. My favorite is the day after when a blob of mashed potatoes, a scoop of stuffing, perhaps some roasted onions and carrots, and a few shredded pieces of turkey are dumped, KFC-bowl of sadness style, into a bowl, doused with and obscene amount of gravy, nuked to within an inch of their life, covered in black pepper and eaten...with a spoon.
BananaMonkey at 8:16AM on 11/16/09
Sides, absolutely. Not that I don't like turkey. And pies and desserts, I could do without. I need one bite of sweet at the end of a huge savory meal, then I'm done. And I'm a huge baker, in pastry school! As long as I get to eat a mound of mashed potatoes, some stuffing, and something green, I'm satisfied.
BrooklynBaker at 9:31AM on 11/16/09
Pecan Pie.
flavacrisp at 9:43AM on 11/16/09
Side! Sweet potatoes with all the fixings. Since my family is none traditional I always look forward to the Chinese roast duck.
Salee at 9:51AM on 11/16/09
It's all about the crown roast of pork. That's right. Who needs a turkey that takes hours of brining, rubbing, basting and baking when you can have 12-18 bones of luscious pork that cook up in under 90 minutes? We made the switch about four years ago and have not looked back.
And turkey sandwiches? Bah! Have cubanos made with the leftover pork loin instead!
Mizbee at 10:19AM on 11/16/09
People, you can make the sides any time with any meal but the occasion to cook a great big bird only comes around once or twice a year. Yes, we can cook a turkey for a dinner party but most of us don't. It's the turkey!
smallblondemom at 10:41AM on 11/16/09
I like the whole meal: turkey, sides, and pies. But if I had to choose among them, I'd say the sides are my favorite.
emgroff at 11:35AM on 11/16/09
Definitely the sides. Yes, you could make them any other time, but generally we don't make that particular combination of sides. And although I don't especially care about *eating* the turkey, I care very deeply about smelling it while it cooks and the gravy it produces. So I guess that means the turkey is equally important, but for different reasons.
Kerosena at 11:45AM on 11/16/09
Without the turkey there is no gravy. Gravy is the essential T-Day component. ALL non-dessert food is there merely as a vehicle for the gravy. Hmm, even some of the dessert food is improved by it. I say the heck with it. Gravy should be the main course, with everything else as a side.
chisai at 12:07PM on 11/16/09
I love the entire trifecta.
The turkey is great esp since we deep fry it with a nice spice rub on the skin.
The sides are great - sausage and apple stuffing, stuffed mushrooms, garlic mashed potatoes, etc. And of course deep dried mac n cheese balls.
Then the dessert is the closing act - pumpkin pie is a must but apple pie with some vanilla ice cream works too!
Kanger at 12:44PM on 11/16/09
Oyster dressing smothered in turkey gravy.....yum! I can't wait!!!!
Mattrat at 1:01PM on 11/16/09
Even though I have to watch my carbs and sugar for health reasons, I always have been and always will be a sides girl (just gotta eat little bits of it now instead of going all out!). I like ham and turkey just fine, but I eat deli meat a lot throughout the year, so it doesn't really seem like anything special. Southern cornbread dressing, macaroni and cheese, sweet potato casserole (we do a pecan streusel-mini marshmallow mixture on top), orange-cranberry sauce, yeast rolls... it's all so good!! Of course, I adore pumpkin pie and pecan pie too... have to have a little bite of them to really call it Thanksgiving!
PinkCupcake at 2:34PM on 11/16/09
This year we are having 18 for dinner.My daughter and I do nearly all of it. She always brings mashed potatoes, cornbread dressing (yuck!), a pumpkin cheesecake, her Sexy Salad ( greens with sexy stuff in it), my dad's green beans (with shallots and bacon - coming from our garden this year), and chile con queso. I do the rest, usually, although this year Jose Luis and Carmen are bringing smoked brisket and tamales. (They recently inherited my cast-iron smoker which Jose-Luis can make sing arias.) I will be making a sweet potato pie, a few apple pies (the youngest child and his beloved are bringing New England apples they picked last week with his roomates), at least 3 pecan pies, and a carrot cake for dessert. If I can squeeze it in, I want to also make a 3 layer chocoalte cake for me. The sides I make are cranberry-ginger sauce (the cranberries are also being brought directly from the bog in MA), 8 dozen homemade rolls, a relish tray with homemade pickled green beans and pickled okra, and tiny gherkins and our friend Richard Moon will augment it with different olives and throw some sweet pickles, baby carrots and left-over celery from the dressing on the plate. I might make some hummus for that.
I have a 25.7 lb turkey in the freezer and a 10lb ham in the fridge. We should be in good shape. I've been saving plastic send-home containers for a few months so everyone can bring stuff for sandwiches the next day.
My mouth is watering for Friday's breakfast which will be turkey (breast meat only, please), mayo, cranberry sauce and dressing on sourdough sandwiches.
dksbook at 5:38PM on 11/16/09
Do I really have to choose? They're all so good.
Neohippie at 4:49PM on 11/17/09
I'm with Ed. Let's eat pie.
wunami at 12:29AM on 11/19/09