Would You Eat This Lobster?

Would you eat an animal that's seven decades old?
I've never given much consideration to the age of an animal that ends up on my plate. But Ryan Sutton's story has me thinking twice. He writes about an elderly lobster currently living out his twilight years in the fish tank at Oceana—and available as an off-the-menu special. Seventy years old, eleven pounds, and yours, for $275.
There's something deeply unsettling—logic and science aside—about feasting on a creature so long-lived. Surviving to such an age, having dodged lobster traps all his life, doesn't he deserve some sort of "get out of jail free" card?
I'm inclined to agree. Although it's really not rational, as Sutton acknowledges, this lobster that pulls on my heartstrings. If their estimates of his age are correct, this lobster survived the Second World War. He may well be a product of the Great Depression. Who am I to end all that for one dinner, however tasty?
But is that just sentimentality, or rationalization? I'm not sure. What about you? Would you eat a 70-year-old lobster?
UPDATE: The NYDN announces that this lobster is in the clear: "The giant 11-pound crustacean got a last-minute reprieve from a Manhattan restaurant that scrapped plans to charge $275 to cook him. The creature, nicknamed Peter by staff at Oceana in Rockefeller Center, can thank patrons who bombarded the eatery with calls. It is unclear what will happen to the crustacean, but he apparently won't be eaten."
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I personally never thought about the age of an animal before, and I am not sure what i would do in this case. But if you are to bring up the old age of a lobster, shouldn't you also bring up the young age of other animals slaughtered before they have even exited adolescence? I have no problems eating veal, and do not know why eating a 70 year old lobster would be different....but I do hesitate when saying that I would chow down.
quack at 7:15PM on 10/25/09
My home state of Maine protects against this. As females grow larger, they can carry more eggs. As males grow larger, they are more preferable mates. So you will not find a legitimate Maine lobster above 4-5 pounds. We are one of few states to have an oversize lobster law (if you see a "Maine" lobster over 5 pounds, it is from NH or Mass).
Couldn't the reverse argument be made against veal?
Chowdahead at 7:22PM on 10/25/09
Honestly, how tasty is a lobster that old going to be? I've always preferred them around a pound. That aside, it is strictly an emotional issue, but I think I'd hesitate too. I'd agree that he deserves the get out of jail free card.
FierceGeekChick at 7:22PM on 10/25/09
If it comes with some melted butter, I have three words for you: Serve. It. Up.
FryPrayEatPassOut at 7:23PM on 10/25/09
Honestly, I hesitate before eating any animal, even though I'm not a vegetarian (although I was one a couple decades ago). I always try to keep in mind the life of the animal, how it was raised, how it was slaughtered. I'm not trying to be soap-box-y, just respectful of the animals that give their lives for my dinner.
madball911 at 7:23PM on 10/25/09
One other thought - above 3 pounds, many people claim lobsters become tougher than steak. If you had 275 bucks to spring on lobsters, you'd be better off buying 50 pounds of small lobster than paying for one large lobster.
Chowdahead at 7:24PM on 10/25/09
Some people are concerned whether boiling a live lobster is painful or cruel, but I suppose it's equally plausible that the end of an elderly lobster's life is slow and painful and lobsters don't simply die in their sleep the way we'd like to believe that the luckiest of elderly humans expire. So I could see an argument for lobster euthanasia.
Lorenzo at 7:30PM on 10/25/09
I don't particurlarly like lobster to begin witn,as I'duch rather eat shrimp or scallpos,but,having said that,I would imagine a 70 year old lobster would be tough as shit.
onepercent99 at 7:32PM on 10/25/09
Nope. He deserves something better than being eaten.
I am a year into pescatarianaism, so I still eat lobster, but I could not eat one that old.
I am with Chowdahead on the reverse argument for veal (other baby animals etc.) which I have never but once eaten.
Just because it is technically edible does not mean it HAS to b eaten. :) Let him live. :)
sadiepix at 7:41PM on 10/25/09
A bottom-feeding sea creature that has lived in the wild that long has probably accumulated enough pollutants in its body to be toxic if eaten.
salpico at 7:42PM on 10/25/09
Sounds tough. No thanks.
Cassaendra at 8:14PM on 10/25/09
A lobster of that age should be respected and protected. But I don't think we have to take an oral history or anything.
annien at 8:36PM on 10/25/09
Bowhead whales live about two human lives. They taste absolutely delicious. Would I spend almost three bills for tough lobster, definitely not.
climbhighak at 8:49PM on 10/25/09
@salpico said exactly what I was thinking.
hungryhungryhippo at 8:55PM on 10/25/09
I've had a big lobster once. It wasnt nearly as big or old as this guy, but it was near 5 pounds, i think (@chowdahead, probably not a Maine lobster). The lobster meat went into many dishes in our meal that night. It wasnt particularly tasty though. It's tough and isn't sweet when they get that big. It just makes for a good story and a big check.
*shrug*
engmcmuffin at 8:57PM on 10/25/09
This is all just plain odd.
First, yes, the taste and texture is a serious issue. Would a lobster this old be actually enjoyable? I honestly do not know how the age and size of this creature would effect the eating experience. I do know that it would not have such a positive (if at all positive) effect as to justify the cost.
So this means that really, what one is paying for is the novelty of this lobster's existence. It is so rare that getting to eat it would be a privilege. Not a culinary privilege, but an elitist privilege. Well I frankly have no sympathy for this notion on any level, and as a food lover I feel buying rarity/novelty, and not quality/value is unacceptable.
So ought he be eaten? Well that really is an issue far too subjective for analysis. Age is really the only moral factor here and I cannot really come up with an argument that dictate when age=edible or inedible. Yet since again, I can say that the only reason this creature is being paraded around as an expensive luxurious dish is due to its age and size, I say no. No, I do not support that mentality and therefore no, do not eat it. Age be damned.
Giertson at 8:57PM on 10/25/09
NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM
monkee at 8:57PM on 10/25/09
Question for Oceana is: where do you source your lobster? The best in the world comes from Penobscot Bay, in Maine... kind of unsettling that a high end NY seafood place obviously gets second-rate lobster from somewhere else. Beyond that, I agree with FierceGeekChick and Chowdahead that large lobsters are tough and untasty.
Here is an instance where ethics and taste happen to coincide. The only reason to display, purchase or eat a creature like this is to conspicuously consume.
patrickamory at 9:05PM on 10/25/09
I couldn't do it. I'm sure people can make a gazillion arguments about considering the age of other animals (as when eating veal), but I'm an overly sensitive baby and the idea of eating this particular 70-year-old guy breaks my heart. I actually want to call the restaurant and ask if I can pay for the guy to be set free. He deserves better.
PumpkinBear at 9:13PM on 10/25/09
I don't particularly like thinking about the life my food has had. Knowing that this poor guy has lived such a long one, it would seriously make me sad imagining all the stuff he could have gone through.
katherinegb at 9:35PM on 10/25/09
Lobsters bigger than 3 pounds are gross and should not be eaten. let them breed and make more little lobsters for us to eat.
curiositykt at 9:37PM on 10/25/09
I would eat the lobster in a heart beat. I'm human. I eat animals. I enjoy them.
The BIG IF in the conversation, revolves around taste. That sucker would probably taste horrible, tough, nasty, not worth $275 by any stretch of the imagination. I'd rather buy two or three younger, delicious lobsters. For those that feel guilty killing an animal and eating it, why take 1 animal life when you can take 3? Am I right or am I right?
FlavorCountry at 9:53PM on 10/25/09
Sentimentality aside, the meat just gets tough and bland after 2lbs. It's not like ordering a larger cut of beef. It's an older animal. Imagine eating a 70 year old cow. It would be like jerky. I totally agree with @Chowdahead. It's more work, but I much prefer to eat multiple young lobsters than one older one.
Also, one the eco-conscious side of things, if the state of Maine has a law about throwing back oversized lobsters, there must be something to that, as a considerable segment of Maine's economy rests on the lobster catch.
According to Northeast Fisheries Science Center in Woodshole, Massachusetts,
A 1-pound female lobster usually carries approximately 8000 eggs. A 9-pound female may carry more than 100,000 eggs... From every 50,000 eggs only 2 lobsters are expected to survive to legal size.
(http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/faq/fishfaq7.html)
Only two. I know George is a male, but this speaks to the fragility of the species. Anyway, I think he should be either thrown back or sent to an aquarium.
yayfood at 10:03PM on 10/25/09
Though I'd like to say I'd pass... deep down, I suspect I would be like Homer Simpson with Pinchy the Lobster.
miamia at 10:10PM on 10/25/09
No.
There was a lobster about this huge (hard to tell from the Oceana picture with no scale reference), up as a raffle prize at the Atlantic Antic; he was offered, I think, by the Six Points stand, which sold various raw bar items. He was massive, his carapace about 20" not including his tail tucked under him, alive, on ice and on display to all gawkers.
Yes, I eat meat. Yes, I eat lobster. But this seems unsporting and decadent.
The creature has lived to a venerable age. S/He's beat the odds until the last, then s/he got snagged. Show some humanity (if that's not a contradiction in terms) and let him, or her, go.
66SquareFeet at 10:46PM on 10/25/09
save the lobster!
tigress at 11:30PM on 10/25/09
Nope. No way. No cruelty to the elderly.
Potboiler at 12:27AM on 10/26/09
I'm with madball911 and pumpkinbear. I am human and I think it's OK to eat animals, I do it, but human as I am I think it's important to consider and respect what's on your plate.
I couldn't do it.
He's much older than most of you are so, respect.
mtgall at 12:41AM on 10/26/09
Gonna be hard to properly cook a lobster that large. It'll be undercooked on the inside, and overcooked on the outside.
Only way I would eat it would be sous-vide.
Mmmmmmm... sous-vide lobster...
BbqDude at 1:29AM on 10/26/09
do the death boards decide on lobsters, too?
dmarina at 2:14AM on 10/26/09
Who says it's 70 years old, and how is that verified. I think this is a "big fish" story.
dmcavanagh at 6:38AM on 10/26/09
I would not eat a lobster of that age. But I'm a sentimental slob.
Didn't a similarly geriatric lobster recently win its freedom??
therealchiffonade at 7:08AM on 10/26/09
@Giertson: I'm with you on this sentiment: "So this means that really, what one is paying for is the novelty of this lobster's existence. It is so rare that getting to eat it would be a privilege. Not a culinary privilege, but an elitist privilege. Well I frankly have no sympathy for this notion on any level, and as a food lover I feel buying rarity/novelty, and not quality/value is unacceptable."
I would not. It seems disrespectful of the species, somehow.
Am struggling with the ethics of eating anything that isn't raised in as humane an environment as possible, too. Don't exactly have the money to eat only grass fed beef or humanely raised pork, so I'm just eating a lot less meat.
lemonfair at 7:27AM on 10/26/09
@salpico: i totally agree...it seems that the level of contaminants in that lobster may be too high for comfort.
i actually don't think there's much of a reason to eat this guy. a bunch of people have cited toughness, and for that sort of price, you can get a few smaller, tenderer lobsters. if you're after a good meal, it would make sense to eat the younger, tenderer animals. on a more sentimental point, i'd feel uncomfortable eating something that's older than me.
neeki at 7:40AM on 10/26/09
I don't get it. A lot of you say don't eat it because it has lived for so long, outsmarted trappers and so forth. However, you are quick to say you'll eat a little young one, therefore not giving the "baby" a chance at a long life. I say eat his old crusty butt and let the little guys and gals have a chance to get this big so we can have another feast. Sounds heartless I know, but to me it is the logical thing to do. At least letting the young ones grow will give them more opportunities to make more little ones. He maybe a bit tough, but with a bucket of butter I'd try to finish him off by myself.
funkopolis at 8:46AM on 10/26/09
Heck, the age would be the least of my concerns. I wouldn't eat something that costs $275.
misplacedtexan at 9:04AM on 10/26/09
This is pure marketing. I doubt anyone would want to eat it and I suspect if you actually tried to order it they'd refuse to serve it.
bobbob at 9:06AM on 10/26/09
no, let him go! put him back in the ocean and let him tell the other guys down there what beneficent creatures humans really are.... (yeah, right)
pooch at 9:32AM on 10/26/09
Get him a bigger tank and let that old boy watch Matlock.
SmokedMeat at 9:53AM on 10/26/09
SWEETIE, DARLING.....Dip your old sneaker in cocktail sauce ...and get a preview of what a 70 yr old lobster would taste like, eeechhh! He should be set free, or donated to a Public Aquarium.
ChelseaGuy52 at 10:33AM on 10/26/09
of course! the theme could be "aged", with good wine and cheese :D
nindi_18 at 10:45AM on 10/26/09
@SmokedMeat: You really made me laugh. Maybe he likes Judge Judy? All of the old people in my life really dig Judge Judy or that "straight-shootin' Dr. Phil."
PumpkinBear at 11:20AM on 10/26/09
I'm writing to confess- I have such guilt!!!
I recently ate a 12 lbs lobster (said to be 80 years old).
We sat in the kitchen four over an hour debating to eat it (we won him in a raffle). We named him Dean.
Should we release him the Rockaways? Should we call NY1? Are we breaking a law? He is older then my Dad! He survived two world wars! This is not right.
But alas, we ate him. We decided he must have committed lobster suicide, after is much younger lobster girlfriend got caught in a trap.....life was no longer worth living
Not tough at all, but honestly not as flavorful as a smaller lobster. He was still very much enjoyed! We honored his live.
Now this story comes out and the guest at the dinner party feel ashamed.
Would I do it again? No I don't think so. Dean you will forever be in our hearts!!!
PaigeBW at 11:33AM on 10/26/09
I think I would feel bad only because it's like---legendary?
I bet it would still fast fabulous though.
This is about food; right :D
hungrychristel at 1:35PM on 10/26/09
i went out on a lobster boat tour in nova scotia- it'a a way for the lobster guys to make some coin when regulations say they aren't allowed to fish.
Of course everybody asked what the biggest lobster they'd ever caught was. It was huge- something like 40 or 50lbs- but their assessment was the same as most people here: above like 3 or 4 lbs, lobsters tend to be tough. Those huge lobsters are all crazy old, and old animals don't make for tasty eats.
mr guy at 1:58PM on 10/26/09
Maine lobsters are usually 1 1/4 lbs. at almost every place I've dined at. There's a reason they're the best, and it's probably because the young ones are more delicate and taste sweeter. I would imagine a 70 year old lobster tastes chewy and muddy.
ChefR0b at 2:30PM on 10/26/09
I used to work at a lobster house on Long Island during college, and we would get these gigantic archaic lobsters from our distributor all the time. The first couple of times it was a bit of a novelty, having a 70 year old lobster around, but after the 4th or 5th time, the cool factor wore off. Since it takes a lobster about 7 years to reach one pound, even if you eat a 3 pounder, you are dining on a crustacean that is 20 years old, or so.
Kismetized at 6:05PM on 10/26/09
How do you know is 70 years old?Does it come with a birth certificate?
onepercent99 at 7:30PM on 10/26/09
Look, what if lobster aged like Bordeaux? That it got tenderer and sweeter and more complex as it aged? There would be no sympathy for this guy because of age. None. At. All.
Instead the restaurant would get $500 or a grand, or more, for it. And the lobsterman would get 20-40% of that.
The question of egg capacity would simply mean that only large male lobsters could be harvested, making them even more desirable. And probably an underground market in females would also develop. Can you imagine what they might go for?
This is just the nature of humans, and thus, the nature of markets. So if they're tough and not as sweet, we can anthropomorphize all we want, because we really don't think it'll taste all that good.
Sov at 8:01PM on 10/26/09
What a great marketing opportunity. Keep the Big Boy Alive! Put this lobster on display and l make the best of it.
BizGuides at 7:02PM on 11/07/09