Shake Shack, Bill's, and RUB: It's Rainin' Smashed Burgers In This Burg

Top: Bill's Bar and Burger; bottom, left to right: Shake Shack and RUB. [Photographs: Robyn Lee (Bill's Bar and Burger and Shake Shack) and Nick Solares (RUB)]
Right now, at this moment, it's raining burgers in this burg. And not just any kind of burgers: smashed burgers made from freshly ground, humanely raised beef.
Danny Meyer and company were the pioneers of this style of burger in New York with the now legendary Shake Shack, though the Shackers don't really smash their meat so much as press it down rather gently. In fact, it should be noted that burger lovers owe Meyer a smashing debt of gratitude for the lead role he and his crew have taken in treating the reasonably priced burger with respect and love—and elevating it to serious deliciousness with careful preparation, cheffy techniques, and quality ingredients. But enough about the Shack for now.
Restaurateur Steve Hanson has now stepped up to the (blue) plate with his newly opened smashed burger emporium Bill's Bar and Burger. And RUB's pitmaster Scott Smith and co-owner Andrew Fischel have snuck up on Meyer and Hanson with their burger, which is currently being served only on Monday nights.
A Hamburger Today and Serious Eats have been chronicling Shake Shack's serious deliciousness for years now. More recently in the past few weeks, my man Adam Kuban waxed enthusiastically about Bill's, Kenji Alt told us how to fake the funk of the Shake Shack burger with his amazing Fake Shack post and recipe, and I had a ridiculously fabulous urban burger at RUB.
So what's left, my burger-loving compadres? Why, it's obvious to me: It's the Serious Eats New York–AHT smashed-burger roundup, the ultimate throwdown. Is there one smashed burger in New York City that reigns supreme? Which of these juicy suckers should you pledge your burger-loving allegiance to? Which burger is worth your hard-earned money, your valuable time, and your true burger devotion?
We've got you covered, starting now.
Shake Shack

Shake Shack
Madison Square Park, Madison Ave and East 23rd Street, New York NY 10010 (map); 212-889-6600; shakeshack.com
366 Columbus Ave, New York NY 10024 (b/n 77th and 78th Street; map); 646-747-8770
Must-Haves: Shack Burger, custards, vanilla malt
Grade: A-
The Shake Shack burger introduced the salted, pressed, and crisped burger made with care and good ingredients to serious eaters in New York City, and we are forever in Shake Shack's gratitude. (I remember when I first got to New York in the mid '70, the burger choices were pretty meager: Prime Burger, Burger Heaven, J. G. Melon's, and the mediocre mondo-size burgers served at Jackson Hole). A recent visit to both locations found the Shack in good form.
The four-ounce Shackburgers ($4.75) (made with humanely raised, freshly ground Creekstone Farms beef custom-blended by LaFrieda Meats) were juicy (especially when ordered rare), salty, and crusty, the cheese was melted, and the bun was toasted and lightly buttered. The french fries ($2.75), made from Yukon golds, are the good-enough frozen, trans fat–free fries they've been serving for a few years now. A revelation for me on my last visit was the vanilla malted ($5.75). Made with the incomparable Shack vanilla custard and plenty of malt powder, it is the best vanilla malt to be had in New York right now.
Bill's Bar and Burger

Bill's Bar and Burger
22 Ninth Avenue, New York, NY 10014 (at 13th Street; map); 212-414-3003; billsbarandburger.com
Service: Informal, efficient
Setting: Contemporary bar and grill with a little nuevo retro flair.
Must-Haves: Bill's Classic with American Cheese, French fries, onion rings, key lime pie.
Grade: A-
Steve Hanson claims to have worked on the Bill's Bar and Burger concept for more than a year. The burgers at Bill's are made with fresh-ground beef blended by the ubiquitous LaFrieda, are smashed onto the high-tech grill, and, at their best, they are worthy of a straight-up comparison to Shake Shack. In fact, I like the more coarsely ground (and therefore more loosely packed) Bill's blend more. Bill's burgers actually have more crunch per square inch than their Shake Shack counterparts, are very well-salted, and can also be just as juicy if you order it extra-juicy. The full-throttle smashing of the five-ounce patty means that the patty is a wide-body burger—so wide, that the patty extends well beyond the Arnold bun the burger comes on. All told, Bill's makes an extremely satisfying, intensely pleasurable, and beefy burger.

The Fat Cat made with caramelized onions, bacon, and cheese, is a most excellent burger, whether you order it on an English muffin or an Arnold bun, though two of these patties on an English muffin is one patty too many.

The fries are salty, seriously delicious, twice-fried Kennebec potatoes, though sometimes they become mealy if they're overcooked.
The vanilla malt, made with Mt. Pleasant ice cream, was sweet and creamy, but not very malty.
RUB BBQ

RUB BBQ
208 West 23rd Street, New York NY 10011 (near Seventh Avenue; map); 212-524-4300; rubbbq.net
Service: Friendly, solicitous
Setting: Barbecue joint with many televisions.
Must-Haves: Rub burger, French fries, onion strings.
Grade: A-
RUB pit master Scott Smith makes his burgers, currently served only on Monday nights, with equal parts brisket and short rib meat, chilled and then ground in the walk-in freezer at the restaurant. The patties are then salted and cooked individually in a super-hot 9-inch cast iron skillet. The result is a phenomenal burger that might just be the finest combination of salty, crisp, and juicy, of all the burgers I tried. It tasted like the best backyard burger you will ever eat.

They make three kinds of burger at RUB: a plain burger ($6.50), a cheeseburger ($7), and the RUB burger ($7.50), topped with sautéed, not-quite-caramelized onions, cheese, crunchy pickles, and a chipotle aioli, which is one damn fine burger.
The skin-on french fries dredged lightly in RUB's dry rub, are golden brown and crisp on the outside and tender on the inside.
Who Makes the Best Burger?
I know you want me to pick a winner here; I suppose I did promise that I would. But choosing between these three burgers is like asking someone to choose which child they love the best. I love all these burgers equally. Please don't ask me to choose. I will say that the many Shake Shack aficionados out there should try the burgers at both Bill's and RUB, and let us know in the comments which you prefer and why. Also, ordering a double burger at any of these places is unnecessary. In fact, it throws all these burgers out of balance and upsets the natural order of burger things.
As far as I'm concerned, the more burgers made with care and pride out of good ingredients, the better. Thank you, Danny Meyer, Steve Hanson, and RUB. After years of the fast food culture reducing burgers to the ultimate cheap convenience food, you have elevated burgers to their rightful place in the food pantheon.
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24 Comments:
I'm thinking your in NY, I'm working my way through your blog and stopping along the way and can't help but leave a comment, I love hamburgers! I could eat a hamburger a day if they looked as good as these! I miss east coast food.I love all these great photos.
Diane
ps I won't burden you with a comment on every post I read tonight, but I'm liking what I'm seeing :)
createdbydiane at 11:41PM on 10/27/09
I had sandwiches from both Shake Shack and Bill's Bar and Burger during the weekend. Both hamburgers are delicious and moist, but as Shake Shack burgers are uniformly cooked medium to medium rare, the hamburgers I had at Bill's were cooked medium well, resulting in patties that were almost devoid of juiciness. I had to insist that the burger be cooked medium rare to my waiter at Bill's before I got it properly cooked. Otherwise, either burger is worth it.
momstheword at 11:55PM on 10/27/09
I've only been in NYC for about 8 months now. I've had Shake Shack 5 or 6 times now, but have yet to try out Bill's Bar or RUB. Suffice it to say they're on my list, but I have a hard time imagining I'll like either of them more than Shake Shack.
I'll be sure to let you know how it goes!
The Saucy Coq at 12:00AM on 10/28/09
great post, ed. i didn't know about the monday burger at RUB!
PS- any sign of the pumpkin pie concrete?
rebeccadiamond at 12:26AM on 10/28/09
Nice trifecta Ed. I do find it amazing how much press Bill's has received over the past month. After trying it myself I have to disagree with you though. I found the burger to have a less intense beef flavor compared to SS and also overly crispy/chewy due to the super-thin nature. I like the smash technique, but it seems Bill's has taken it a little too far smashing the burger to a medium-well, well done consistency that relieves the juices. I will certainly give it another try, probably for the Fat Cat, but IMO, Shake Shack is secure as the #1 burger choice for the beef taste, grind, texture and overall satisfaction.
My full recap: http://always-eating.blogspot.com/2009/10/bills-bar-burger-deserving-of-hype.html
ginsbera at 9:14AM on 10/28/09
I guess Alan Richman dosen't share everybody's love of the Bill Burger. Don't have the link but it can be found on GQ. Ed, What do you think of his review?
bessfour at 10:05AM on 10/28/09
nice, all those look great. didn't Bruni come out and say he thought the shackburger was better as a double? i'm with you Ed, it's better regular.
foodinmouth at 10:19AM on 10/28/09
Richman's review can be found here: http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2009/10/bloggers-gone-berserk.html
ginsbera at 10:20AM on 10/28/09
I think Bill's serves a nice burger, significantly better than average and worth trying. I think however, that certain burger pundits have gotten carried away by claiming that its special -- much less the best burger in New York (which seems to me a wildly unsubstantiated claim).
I enjoyed the Fat Cat at Bill's, as the fried onions make up for the overcooked burger. I thought though that the Bobcat was much less sucessful, as the more austere toppings made me wish for a juicier patty.
I think that the smashed burger "trend" is a media created invention planted by the PR people at BR Guest. I don't think that the smashedness of the Shake Shack burger is in any way its most salient defining charactaristic, and it is only through use of this false construct that Bill's can be compared to the Shack Burger.
While I think Bill's is worth a visit, I think that smashed and overcooked burgers are a retrograde step, that should not be glorified. Bill's serves a nice burger, but let's not get carried away.
Makanmata at 10:31AM on 10/28/09
I agree. Bill's is good but totally over rated. This noise comes from the unstoppable PR machine that is Josh Ozersky and his mini me, Nick Solares, as they shill incessantly for their buddies over at Pat Lafrieda. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But we shouldn't pretend it's anything else. And I also agree that the smashed burger method is getting way too many accolades, also artificially by those with the influence and means to make their voices heard. Bruni was correct in his opion that smashed burgers need to eaten as doubles, because otherwise there is too much bread etc in each bite, since the patty becomes so thin. Last time I checked burgers were about beef. Give me a big, plump, tender, crispy crusted juicy burger cooked BLOODY RARE please. Can't do rare with the smashed burgers.
simon at 10:51AM on 10/28/09
I saw Alan Richman's review. I don't think he understands the potential appeal of a thin, crisp, smashed burger. Clearly the burgers he ate at Bill's were not juicy at all. One problem at Bill's that perhaps I should have written about is that nobody at the restaurant wants to tell you that when you order a burger you can ask for it extra juicy. When I asked the chef, Paul Sale, about that he explained that the difference between extra juicy and regular at Bill's is about 10 seconds on its super-hot griddle. Extra juicy just means there will be some visibly pink meat in the burger. Maybe I will see if Alan will go with me to Bill's and have an extra juicy burger.
Ed Levine at 11:42AM on 10/28/09
Ed, you bring up a great point. Had I known that I could request my burger "extra juicy" I would have easily ordered it that way...perhaps they should consider serving all burgers like that, or even just take them off the griddle 5 seconds earlier. It would likely appeal to more folks than it does now.
ginsbera at 12:23PM on 10/28/09
Ed, when I had dinner there this weekend, I was already instructed by Nick Solares to order the burger juicy. However, my waiter refused my request to cook the burger that way, and I ended up with a dried-out patty. When I then ordered the Sunset and Vine, I insisted that the burger be cooked juicy this time. The waiter eventually relented, and the resulting burger was properly cooked. That's the difference between Shake Shack and Bill's Bar and Burger: Shake Shack does it right without it being requested.
momstheword at 2:12PM on 10/28/09
Nice write up. I love the shake shack burger. I have yet to have a burger at Rub though and I've never been to Bill's... on the list now!
Food. By Mark. at 6:12PM on 10/28/09
"My waiter refused?" How does that work?
"Can I order it juicy?"
"Yeah, but I won't put the order in for you."
Seriously? That kind of stuff sets me off, big time.
MikeNYC at 1:26PM on 10/29/09
I can't wait to try RUB's burger. I'm not a fan of bbq, but I do love a good burger.
sherrypie at 3:21PM on 10/29/09
just finished my burger at bill's and boy was it disappointing- the burger as dry as the majority of my fries- I had to constantly quench my thirst with their fine "cold ass" which was delightfully light.
and what's up with the over crowded kitchen?
yongo at 7:12PM on 10/29/09
wnet to Shake Shack for the first time and promptly bit into a bone that almost broke my molar. NEVER AGAIN!
NYeats at 12:13PM on 10/30/09
To my the Shake Shack hamburger is TOTALLY overated. If it had been good the long line was worth it - but to me it was a simple nothing special hamburger. It didn't break my tooth but I also say never again.
Thank you for your excellent write ups anyhow.
olga from Italy at 11:48AM on 10/31/09
Shake Shack is super yummy non-haute burgers. It's like fast food burgers on speed. I feel like no one has the right to degrade OR elevate them. They are what they are, but they serve a purpose and are MIGHTY satisfying, much more so than McDonald's ( ok, I've never had a McDonald's burger)....
BrooklynBaker at 10:40PM on 11/01/09
Ed, you need to get somewhere to try a Smashburger. I would love, love, love to know how they compare in the field of smashed burgers.
ErikaWaz at 9:58AM on 11/03/09
At Bill's Burger, the Fat Cat was a wonderful thing, due in part to the carmelized onions. However, its still the meat that shone through brightest, and for that, Bill's Burger is less deserving of any accolades than those mad meat scientists downtown. Asside from those carmelized onions, my burger sported a seasame bun (I custom ordered this but maybe I should try it as is with the english muffin next time) and American cheese. Clearly, this isn't the most brilliant example of a LaFrieda burger. I'm not saying simple is bad. All I'm saying is, true praise is deserved only when you take a fundamentally great ingredient and make it greater through your own ingenuity. And that is why Shake Shack wins. Meyer's Shack sauce is a maddening addition to the meat that mystifies and excites (Direct quote from the gf trying her first Shack burger: "Yo, why is this so good?! Like seriously... why!?"). Bill's is a little more straighforward. Also, I prefer the way Shack griddles the patties, not smashing them as severely as they do at Bill's, where a juicy medium rare is unattainable because the meat is pressed so thin. The upshot is, I'm nitpicking, and really, I loved Bill's burger. But unlike you, Ed, choosing between Shack and Bill is not like choosing between two of my equally loved children. It's like choosing between two of my children, one of whom is uglier and less intelligent. (I'm jk, I don't have children and I wouldn't, at least I don't think I would, love an uglier child less)
Andy Chan at 3:33PM on 11/11/09
it's restaurant conglomerate versus restaurant conglomerate here; i can't imagine a burger from the same people as blue water grill would be any good but . . . . i want some of those veggie fries!
avisualperson at 1:37PM on 11/17/09
Ed i went to all the places in the article and the Rub BBQ burger was the best by a large margin. They get the best crust without drying out the burger. Bills falls way short of the hype. Enjoy
anything123 at 8:16AM on 12/09/09